I have to thank Dr. Robert M. Miller D.V.MHi to all :
Are these important for the Horses and why?
Are these important for Horse keepers and why?
In what age is the best time for the Horse to do these?
In what age of the Horse the trainers could do these easily without harming the Horse and taking violent actions to achieve our goals?
What are the important things in these that are crucial for the Horse and the Handlers?
How each step must be done so it would be positive?
In my point of view these are very much crucial for both the Horse and the Human and the main reason for this is because it takes all the violent actions of us away in the future and the Horse will benefit from it all of his/her life.
You have a good and very much crucial point there (fell into the wrong hands). The person who does these he/she must be very well experienced. Those with much experience but with no Patient and Tolerance no use they could do all things negative.
This method can prevent many accident from happening especially if comes with knowing the body language of the horse.
This is a long and intellectual science subject I wish we could have a good and positive debate on this method.
This method can save 99% of horse and human problems .
This method is even good for humans too.
This method is good for other animals too.
We can save life , accidents and many other things that are very crucial and we can make the world a better place for horses to live in and I think this is the main goal of every IH horsemanship .
First we do everything on the mother before giving birth to the foal.
The mother have to know us has to have no fear of us present when she is foaling actually some one has to be present especially when the mares foal in a box because many bad accidents could happen especially if is the first or second time which the mare is foaling she has no experience how to go on the ground for foaling if she lie close to the wall of the box both could die the mother and the foal.
The mother is relaxed in the time of foaling and in the time that we are doing the Imprinting when ever the mother wants she smells the foal and touches the foal with her muzzle and she knows that we are no harm because we have been with her for weeks spending hours in her stable with her in most of the time night time and day time and riding too.
We never interfere with the mother and foal relation .
Actually we wont prevent the foal from standing actually when the foal try to stand we help her/him in the technical way.
We do our work in the time that the foal is on the ground and we do not stop the foal from standing we stop on positive ground and we carry on the next time we never rush on anything.
The main point that we do this is the moment of birth we want the foal to feel our breath before her or his mother and we want the foal to see us standing tall just like her or his mother (as I said on lie down a horse) to establish the bound somehow close to the bound with her or his mother.
An Imprinted foal becomes a good mother and father and will pass the good behaviors to her foal this is very crucial for future all the foals that I have Imprinted they are good mothers and fathers.
What is SENSITIZATION ?
You all remember Pavlov's experiments , do you ?
Pavlov was one of the firs scientific behaviorists.
He conditioned dogs to a bell which he rang at feeding time.Initially the food not the bell caused the dogs to SALIVATE just by ringing the bell. What had happened ? the dogs were now responding automatically. Pavlov had conditioned their subconscious minds to respond to the bell and cause saliva to flow even in the absence of food. Even if the dogs had wanted to, their conscious minds could not prevent the salivating because the subconscious part of the brain over rules the conscious part.
All of us humans have many conditioned responses .
For example when I say vinegar your mouth starts to flow with just a word which is vinegar is just like the time you have vinegar in your mouth.
These are the conditional responses that I want and each can be taught in minuts if it is properly done I do these in the first or the second day when the foal can stand up on his/her feet properly:
We can establish a conditioned response.
1- To pick up each foot when asked.
2- To be halter broke. (this means the foal will follow the halter lead rope without resistance and the foal will not pull back against the halter when he/she is tied (we do not really tie the foal) we do it in a way that the foal thinks that he/she is tied.
3- To move the hinds laterally when cued.
4- To back up on command in respond to chest pressure.
5- To move forward in respond to butt pressure.
We can establish a conditioned response.
BJ , I hope that I have explained what is SENSITIZATION .
I can explain many things on these subjects is you like.
I hope we do at least 5 foals in this way and see how they behave in future when they become mothers and fathers then we judge the most amazing and magical method of training.
By this method we can do many things like stopping in a high speed on a losse rein.
Please keep in mind that a 2 months old horse is like a 20 years old man the foal is mature right after birth it is not like a dog which is blind and helpless at the time of birth .
The foal stands and drinks the mothers milk but the dog has to put the milk into her newborn mouth.
If we want a horse to be highly trained for world competitions we must start at that moment.
We believe we can not train a 2 years old horse for that purpose a 2 years old horse is a grown up horse just like a 20 years old human you can not teach a 20 years old human the way that you could at beginning now days we give a child a pen in very stages of life or paper and many other things so he/she could get use to what we call learning and educating for future.
Remember about the subconscious and conscious.
The answer is definitely yes we as human could never get in between the mother and her child.
I ask you a question when we born we do not see our mother for some hours , we spend some hours in the recovery room dose the nurse comes between the mother and her child?
These things are done because of us as humans if we where not in favor of using horses to our need then non these would be needed we do all these because we want horses to serve us better and in the same time we want to use the non violent systems which is not common around the world in many places horsemen use violent actions towards horses .
For Example when we desensitize a foal to shoeing and the sound of iron hitting the foals hoof this foal when becomes a 2 years old horse no one has problem of shoeing him/her but is she is not desensitized towards the shoeing many people use violent actions to shoe the poor animal and many other thing that work this way.
First I have to say that we do not interfere between the mother and the foal the mare is standing by an she smells muzzle to muzzle when ever she wants therefore they wont get separated like human baby.
If you read my posts I did say that we have to Imprint Train the mare (mother) first so when she foals at our present she wont feel any negative towards our present and this is very much crucial if we wont do that the mother could attack us very easily and she will not be comfortable about our presents.
I just compared the human with horses but it is not the same.
The NATURE :
If the mare would foal in a herd in wild and we did not have anything to do with them and we did not need the horse for many purposes yes it was much better to leave them alone and let the nature to do its natural work.
The HUMAN Interfering:
First we bring them from the wild and jail them in a box this is especially very bad for the horse eye because the horse eye works like a binocular and most of the horses when they come to indoor environment they mostly get eye problems they mostly go towards blindness unless the stables that when the horse brings his/her head out could see the far distance.
But unfortunately its not like that we are going to interfere in their life from the first day to the last, we need them for :
1- Riding.
2- Jumping.
3- Dressage.
4- Polo.
5- Endurance.
6- Long and Short distance running.
In old days we used them for :
1- Sending the Post around the world.
2- We used them as heavy horses for wars and battles.
3- Use them for heavy artillery.
4- Use them for transporting us like Trains, Buss and Airoplane.
and many other needs of human.
In that situation we need to train them for the things we want them to compete in we have to find out which horse is good for what kind of our needs for example the horse A is good for cutting, the B horse is good for jumping we should find out these in the very early stages of life we can not let the time pass and in 2 years old decide for what kind of job this horse is good for.
these are the training which we have to in early stages of life if we want the poor horse to become good at.
Imprinting a foal is not just manipulating the foal it is FAR GREATER THAN THAT:
1- Bonding.
2- Habituation.
3- Sensitization.
4- Dominance.
5- The Mare (how we should Imprint Train the Mother because of the needs in the future).
6- Immediate Postpartum Procedure as first session.
7- The second session.
8- The third session.
9- Teaching the foal to Tie.
10- More Halter Training.
11- Advanced Halter Training.
12- Teaching Performance Basics.
13- Reinforcing Responses.
14- Preventing Problems.
15- Effects of Imprint Training On Mares.(Very much Important and Crucial).
16- Imprinting the MULES are a bit different with horses.
All the resistance to the Idea of training foals are coming from the race horse people , there is a belief that if a young horse is taught to be well mannered and obedient and if he/she is not flighty he/she will not run well this is the main reason behind all that and the other reason is because they do not know the Training.
I wish you all the best and hope we open a positive debate on the Imprint Training of the new born foal and be well informed about the things we want to post on this thread so in the end many people which want to know about this could use this thread and this thread could help them in any way relating to horse training in early stages of life and be well informed about the benefits for the horses , the mothers and the owners .
We are trying to make the world a better place for them (Horses) to live happily,no fear from man and no pain either mentally or physically.
No mother could put changes between her childes if they do so the reason is somewhere else in this one is because the mother had more pain in the house with no doctors to give her confidence and pain killer as we all know the only thing that makes us put different between our loved ones is how much we take hard time for them or how much we sacrifize for them it is all about that not being aprt from each other for some hours.
let me bring another examples for you :
1-A is a rose plant that I brought you and you planted the A rose in your garden.
B is a same family,color and as healthy as the A rose but you have bought the B rose and planted it in your garden by your self which one will you care for most the A rose or the B rose?
2-You have one mare she gives birth to a foal in a time that you are on holiday (for example) the next year the same mare from the same stallion gives birth to a foal the you spent most of you time around her stayed up at nights so if she gives birth you be there and finally she gives birth to a foal that you spent many nights and days around her/his mother which foal is most dear to you?
Please answer the question carefully.
There are things in breeding which no one could experience in anywhere else but only around horses and in horses life.
I have seen a new mother killing her own foal right after birth because we as humans interfere in their life.
why she killed her own foal because no one has never touched her TEATS and in other words her teats where not desensitized .
When the foal gets up on his/her feet and puts her/his mouth to the mothers teats to drink the mothers milks it tickles the mother teats.
The natural reaction of a mare when her teats are touched for the very first time is a kick .
Especially when it's the first time this mare is having a foal and she has never lived in the herd to see other mares when the give birth after getting up and giving birth the mare will see something in her stall which was not there before and this makes her panic and she would do anything no one knows what each mare has it's own reaction to each matter.
Thats why we say any Broodmare whether or not her foal is going to be imprint trained , the broodmare should be gentle , tractable and well halter broke, she should allow us to handle any part of her body it is not unusual to find broodmares that are not broke to ride and the excuse of the owners are "She is just a pasture mare" or "She is just a range mare" or "She is just a broodmare".
We know horses are highly MIMIC creatures and if their mothers are well trained the foals will learn from their mothers very quickly and if the mothers are not well trained and they are temperament the foals will learn very quickly also that is why the mares without any training are not qualified for broodmares this is the main point when a mare qualifies for broodmare.
I can open a wide range of negative behaviors on these mares and the problems which they cause in future especially if they are in herds.
My very best wishes to all of you who are reading , posting and taking this subject seriously and having questions as much as you like and I hope to have the knowledge to answer as much as I can so in the end horses could benefit most .
These are the main goals of Imprint Training of a horse :
1- Bonding.
2- Habituation.
3- Sensitization.
4- Dominance.
5- The Mare (Mother and how to make a good bound with her before and after foaling)
6- Immediate after birth procedure , (as the first session of Imprinting).
7- The 2nd session of Imprinting.
8- The 3rd session of Imprinting.
9- The 4th session of Imprinting.
10- Teaching the foal to tie,(We never tie the foal for real).
11- Halter training of the foal.
12- More Halter training of the foal.
13- Advanced Halter training of the foal.
14- Teaching the foal the basics of Performance.
15- Reinforcing the Responses.
16- Preventing the Problems.
At all time the mother is next to her foal and we use the mother for most of our work as a 2nd handler actually the presents of the mother is a great help and she plays a big roll in our Imprint Training of her foal.
Actually Imprint Training has very good and positive effects on the Mare (Mother) and if it is her first time that she is having her foal and her self Imprinted she will be a great help the next time that she gives birth to a foal.
The EFFECTS of IMPRINT TRAINING on MARES.
One of the most frequently having concerns of early training of the foal is it will Interfere with the bonding between the foal and the mare (mother).
I have never come across a mare that has rejected her Imprinted foal in my life until now and never heard of such thing.
Just imagine a mare see a foal for the first time in her box the situation that she has never seen or experienced , this is one of the reasons of rejections and there has been situations that the mother (any species) has attacked her own new born and killed him/her.
Most mares reject their foals because of the udder pain they even would kick and injure their own foals.
When a mare foals for the first time and she see a familiar human that she has seen many times before and that human is touching her foal then the mother will reach to her foal and touches and smells her foal with her muzzle , lick and taste her own foal , exactly at that moment something very strong is happening the bonding is taking place and the foal is Imprinted with both the mother and the human at the same time in this case the rejection will never take place and I am 99% sure of what I am saying.
I have noticed that the mare which their foal has been Imprint Trained she wont show any aggressiveness towards human and this is important.(let me add something this method is not good for the wild this has negative results in wild because mare has to be very protectiveness towards her foal in the wild).
Even the gentle mare show aggressiveness toward the present of human and they are much protectiveness towards their foals .
If you have no bond with the mother is better not to step into her box when she has foal because I have seen many mothers that they have charged anyone who gets near her foal (that is why our work starts with the mother before she gives birth to her foal).
You never see a mare with an imprint trained foal act this way.
When the foaling mare gets up on her feet she smells the same odder on my hands and on her foal body this is important because it makes a three way bonding ,mare to human , mare to foal , foal to human .
Please remember that we are talking about well mannered mares and well halter broke (well manner broodmares).
It is a bad experience in general to lose a mother.
First I try to find a mare that she has lost her foal this is very important.
Imprint train mothers they accept some one else child but others are a bit difficult sometimes very hard but we have to be with them for some time so the mother would accept the foal completely but with imprinted mothers we have not any problem what so ever , actually this is one the good reasons to back up Imprint Training .
Because the foals are born in same season which is Spring it is not to hard to find a mother without a foal.
But if we wont find a mare which has lost a foal that is something different which I will explain in a near future because right now I must go and this subject needs time.
Q - Have you had any experience of foals that were bottle fed because the mother died giving birth Persianhorse?
How would you teach them to have natural horse instincts?
A - Yes I have it is a bad experience in general to lose a mother.
First I try to find a mare that she has lost her foal this is very important.
Imprint train mothers they accept some one else child but others are a bit difficult sometimes very hard but we have to be with them for some time so the mother would accept the foal completely but with imprinted mothers we have not any problem what so ever , actually this is one the good reasons to back up Imprint Training .
Because the foals are born in same season which is Spring it is not to hard to find a mother without a foal.
But if we wont find a mare which has lost a foal that is something different which I will explain in a near future because right now I must go and this subject needs time.
First of all I have to tell you this is very important that how do you keep horses what I mean is :
How close are they to their real life their real wild life.
Do you keep them in herd or in boxes?
How do they live in the environments that you have created for them.
Let me bring you an a example that I have before,
We have two mares one (X) is living in a herd and the other (Y) is living in a stable box,
They both are green in bringing a foal it is their first time that they are pregnant,
They foal in one night lets say Monday,
How do they react towards their foal?
Dose their character (I do not know if I use the right word but I hope you know what I mean) change in the time of pregnancy ?
Dose their character (I do not know if I use the right word but ... ) change when they foal ?
Can you explain for me each one ?
When you answered we start from there, OK?
What is the environments that they live in?
If you find a surrogate mother is the best but if you did not find one that is a problem.
Is best to bottle feed the foal among the others (the herd) is best to leave her/him among the others and watch her/him closely , they will take care of him/her but you should not let the foal near the mares who has foals themselves because they will kick the foal if goes near them and the smell of the mare milk will make the new born foal go to them and that is dangerous.
As the foal gets bigger and bigger the things will be more easier .
With such a foal we definitely should do the imprinting.
What are the affects of Imprinting in weaning time.
Dose Imprinting help the Separation anxiety .
When we leave the foal behind and go for a ride with the mother and without the foal the foal runs back and forward around the gate and looks always to the spot which he/she last saw the mother and ( presences of Human can not be any help but in dogs the presence of a human can help a little but in Horses there is no chance for the presence of human the foal wont lesson and like no one is there if any one is trying to make connection and be a bit of a help) after we return the foal is in the air jumping all over the mother and dose not care for anything up to some time .
The only time which I have seen that my presence helps the foal and they would accept me as a member of their family are the foals that I have Imprinted .
Please take your time and think about this because I think it is very much important for those who breed and they have to separate their foals .
This is one of the worst moments of my life when I want to separate a foal from his/her mother it really damages the foal inside (mentally) and I think the most important thing from Imprinting is the effect which has in the separation time.
Remember the foal which has lost her/his mother and we are raising him/her by hand and hand feeding the foal MUST STAY WITHIN the HERD TO LEARN HOW HORSES LIVE TOGETHER THIS IS CRUCIAL FOR THE REST OF THE FOALS LIFE.
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