Wednesday, June 9, 2010

Persian Horse Pedigree

A Genealogical Table of the Horse and Pictures of Horsemen Dating
Back 5,000 Years
Director, Institute of Animal Research, Vienna, Austria... See More

Here is an excerpt from the above -

to V. Scheil this seal in association with the as yet unexplained signs accompanying it, is an enumeration of horses. If, however, we examine this seal (Figure 6) we discern the following significant facts:

1. The horse-heads are situated in four horizontal rows.
2. The horses are of three categories as regards their manes: upright manes, pendant manes, and without manes.
3. If we examine the location of these three types we find that the three categories have a symmetrical arrangement with reference to the main diagonal.
4. It is remarkable that all the heads with pendant manes have a special symbol to the right of them. See the upper row. The head to the extreme right has by it a symbol which resembles a barred window. In the second row the same, at the left. In the third row the middle head from the left has by it a sign of three teeth on the smaller side of the rectangle. Beneath this four teeth. Note in the fourth row, first head on the left, a sign which today is universally used in biology to indicate "female." In this latter case it is remarkable that the symbol is engraved
upside down. In the same row the third head from the center is accompanied by a sign which could easily be held to be a carriage with two horses.
5. The heads with upright manes in my opinion represent wild stallions, those with pendant manes, tame animals and those without manes, mares.
6. It is held by Professor Scheil that the maneless heads are those of colts. That this is not the case is proved to my satisfaction by the fact that some of the maneless heads as the first in the top row and the second in the second row and the third in the third row are pictured of far too coarse and too powerful a build to be mistaken for colts. (The diagonal arrangement of the heads may be also worthy of note).
On the other hand we discover in contrast that some very delicate heads such as the fourth in the first row and (he fourth in the third row are definitely maned. There are manes of different character, pendant and upright. An analysis of the head forms is very significant to modern hippology. Wecan note the following facts:

a. A definitely ramlike profile of head (head 1, row 1).
b. A ramlike profile only in the nose region (head 2, row 1; heads 2 and 3, row 3).
c. Perfectly straight profile (all heads of row 2).
d. Concave profile of Arabian type combined with graceful slender head (third and fourth head, row 1; fourth head, row 3; fourth head, row 4).
e. In addition to these definite differences of the profile line the size of head in respect of the entire length and depth is interesting:
Long and deep (head 2, row 2).
Medium long and deep (head 2, row 4).
Short and deep (head 2 and 3), row 4).
Long and slender (head 3, row 1). Connected with Arabian profile.
Medium long and slender (head 4, row 3).
All the above mentioned differences are regarded not as merely accidental differences of a mechanical or conventional nature but as studied reproductions of differences actually observed in the living animal. The head forms represented in this ancient seal are of types that today may be observed in the different races of horses. I need only note the existence in the Kladruber breed of a strongly ram profile and in the
Arabian horse of a concave, fine cut head to demonstrate that the differences recorded five thousand years ago in Elam exist still today. Intermediate shapes can also easily be found. Furthermore these characteristics are familiar to the practical breeder and are known to be definitely hereditary. The dominant inheritance of some of these characteristics is so strong that they are recognized as "prepotent" in
inheritance as type of head has been observed to be and passed on for many generations. These head types are undoubtedly inherited as mendelian characters in the horse in nature. Anyone of these forms may become typical of a few animals, of families, or of a
whole stable or artificial race through the agency of human selection. It is a matter of no little interest to breeders and geneticists that on this seal from Susa, whose age must be fully fifty centuries, are shown all the profile types of horses existing today This ancient Elamitic testimony regarding the horses existing at that time permits the conclusion that in Elam several original types and races of horses were then used. The horse heads are reproduced with wide, thick and plump, or with fine and aristocratic lines. There is no other alternative
open than to classify the thick-set type with the Przewalsky • horse (Equus prsnvalsky Poljakoff), and the slender form with the Tarpan (Equus gmelini Antonius). It is the considered opinion of the author that the early, heavy type of horse of western Europe is to be traced
as a direct descendant of the Przewalsky type of wild horse. The heavy Persian horses are not to be considered as importations from Europe in prehistoric times but are the result of breeding native central Asiatic stock, which reached Iran with the Turanian invasions at an early time. The antiquity of this arrival of the horse cannot be determined but must have been very great. The more aristocratic type of
horse was native in the highlands of Iran and the plains of northern Central Asia.
The early Sumerian and Elamitic civilizations, according to unequivocal testimony which is today available, knew and used the horse. It is the
opinion of the author that "seal 105F" which has been discussed above is not as Scheil believes, an enumeration of horses but is a genealogical table of individual horses used for breeding in an old Elamitic stable. If this view is correct, and I believe that any breeder of
animals will admit the high probability that this is so, this discovery is the oldest known genealogical table known at the present time.

Tuesday, October 14, 2008


HI to you all,

- Tell me what you think about the topic please?
- How much the light hands of a woman effects our horses and their trainings?
- How much those light hands effects them while we are working with them specially when the most effective tool (The BIT) is in their mouth?
- Long time ago I put a thread up (in another forum) about Men and Women which could do best in training horses , but unfortunately did not get the right response to go on about the subject, I hope I do here.
- It will definitely benefit you , your horses , their trainings and their daily normal riding, as you all know I am a man myself.

Holding the REINS by light hands,
I will write for you some of what Dr Robert Miller explains on Light Hands in future posts I hope , all the work is done by the fingers and the reins does not go deep inside your hand and you make a fist with the reins in the palm of your hand, the reins should never go deep inside our hands.


I am sure the Demo you have seen Jann you would seen the reins are held with fingers and they don't go deep down in the palm of hand and that is important , the lightest touch you could ever give to reins which means the horses mouth , the horses GUM is by the tip of your fingers and also the tool in our hands (Reins) are the most important tool in the horses body.
If we train our horses properly we don't need them the reins I mean but unfortunately we don't everything is done by the weight of the rider as the weight shifts to sides , back and forward .
Horse could feel the touch of a mosquito on their total body.
Unfortunately some riders use reins as maintaining their own stability on the saddle or use it as a handle they don't feel how much pressure they are causing into the horses mouth, if you have a hard bit then it is another story for the poor horse.

Not only for the reins but for all things like Grooming for example , for even our Behavior around horses our own Body Movements , Like picking up our hands or when we want to put a bridle on a horses head, Saddling the horse , putting the rug on. The signals we give and we receive from the horse and specially understanding them in time and signal back in time or if our signals are to be with an action the timing is so important.
I think in all of these the most important one is Handling the reins , On the other hand all of the above is important .

This is where you would see the Light touch of a human:




When a foal is born I have a rug ready for him/her that I have made long before the mare delivery time and I put it under the place which the foal comes out, I keep this rug until the last day this foal would accept saddle and finishes his/her training under saddle. Any time I want to work I use that rug , I let the foal smell that rug and that rug would be with him/her until the learning session is over, This makes the foal and the mare more secure and would help the foal to accept each learning session and would accept things with a greater , secure and trusted grounds, the amount of fear and stress would drop in a great value when the foal experience something new.
I hope breeders would try it and see for themselves how much this works and makes the foal accept its environment known , something from the first day of life and has never experience negative from this rug ,
Always let the foal smell the rug before starting the session and place it on the subject you want to introduce to her/him , they would accept everything freely without any resistance.

I am sorry if I take your precious time but I thought to share some of my experiences with you guys.

What a very compassionate and sensible way to go. I've never had any dealings with foals, never seen one born except on TV but I think its the same with human babies. My two sons both had "cosy covers" when they were babies and it gave them comfort, so much I thought one son would be about 16 before he out-grew it.
On the web-sit about light hands someone was doing something to a foals ears. What was he doing and why?

Wish you all the best,

Rubbing the ears could have two meanings one is to Desensitize the ears and this is very much important for the horse so human could handle their ears especially when you want to bridle a horse if the ears are not desensitized they wont let you to touch them or to move your hand and the touch of the bridle to their ears it would make them to go in a flight position , therefore is best to desensitize their ears for long time handling them .

The other reason is the touch , Horses have different spots on their body which would calm them down for example,
1- Inside the mouth lower gum rubbing the lower Gum and the lip from inside it clams the horse down and the sign of it is when the horse lowers his/her head down.
2- The upper part of the shoulders is another part.
3- The Mane is another important place to calm a horse.

Yes it is a great tool , so handy and TRUSTED TOOL for the New Borne to accomplish without fear and less anxiety while you introduce new things to them during their young age.




What is the best Retreat and Reward for a horse?
Taking the pressure off from them in any kind and way. (my view).

When I want to work with a colt I would divide my work to three parts, in the end of each part I would unfasten the girth, Take the saddle and the saddle pad off, put a rug (depending on the weather) on the horse take him/her for a walk , when the breathing becomes normal and still the body is warm I put the saddle back on and fasten the girth and do my 2nd part of my session and I will do the same for the last part of my session also, Some times I don't do the other parts of my session if I see something is going wrong and I would stop right there and END it for the day.
The steps we divide for one session of learning (incremental learning) and it's time has not to be done to the end this is in the hands of the Trainer , Trainer decides when is the right time to work , work on what and when is the right time to end the session and this is important.

I would break a session in different parts and make my steps smaller , sometimes I should finish much sooner than I thought it would take for a session and I should of end it much sooner than what I thought.
I would show them what ever I see in my environment , what ever there is even a magazine well the sound of paper is so important for the horse or sound of plastic and the air coming out of a big ball, The crush sound of a dry bush. Learning the Rope and its shape and feel it with their body from the very first days of life, To introduce each of these I break it to different slices in each one for example if I want to introduce the sound and shape of a plastic pag I would do it in different slices and I might not go to the end in one session (horses are different in learning and have different characters just like human beings).

This is one of the subjects that could help many riders, if we know what to do and when to do it this is the greatest tool (well this tool is a little different with other tools because it is not just a tool it is lots of things combined when we want to Reward a horse by taking pressure off) for teaching and introducing something new to your horse specially the young horses , from the colt going to a well trained horse.
This is the most effective non violent tool for working with a horse at any age , also is a reward for the horse and the greatest of rewards which horse loves and understands in its nature because there is no Advance to be Retreated and Rewarded as we believe horses are flight animal and the most free wild creatures which they are living on lands which has no end in the wild as herds living by voices they only could hear and body language they could tell and survived for around 45 million years , we in prison them by domesticating them.
Work much better than food as treads.

Wish you the best,

Sunday, April 13, 2008

Make Your Horse To Eat Grain Slower

Horses normally SWALLOW Grain and this is so bad for their health.
For this problem I have made a machine which smashes the GRAIN in a way that one seed wont fall apart it is as one but smashed, In this way you will not see one piece grain in the horse droppings.
I always have mixed GRAIN with the ALFALFA and HAY in their feed pan this has slowed them down from taking excessive amount at once in mouth full. It also increases their fiber intake. I have also noticed weight gain in a months time and my horses seem to be more relaxed and less excitability at their feed time .
Mix one scoop of Grain and some amount of Alfalfa. You can also put some feed on top of Hay in their feeder. Adding water will also slow their eating and will benefit their SWALLOWING by older horses.
I think in general many of the Horses Lameness are coming from Diet and Weight of the Horse.
The most pressured part of the Horses body is the Hoof and in the Hoof the most pressure is on the HEALS therefore we have to watch the Horse weight and diet.
Keeping the Horse weight in normal depends on the amount of Forage , the Diet , little amount in 4 to 5 times a day , Do not allow the Horse to have Food at all time.
If we compare the Natural Horse Diet we will see Horses because of running from one place to another from the predator they don't have the food and water at all time they eat and drink little amount in different times during one day , don't worry about the Horse not having too much food at once , We are not doing good by giving them too much food at once and all day long present for them.


Wednesday, January 9, 2008


What is a SIGNAL or CUE?

This is anything that puts pressure on the horse. A signal is a stimulus. Surprisingly a signal does not have to be physical. You can have your horse respond to a stimulus without ever touching him/her. A signal can be applied to your horse by eye contact the form of your body position or physical pressure.
For example : With your hand or your lead rope.

What is Desensitizing?
This is when you continually apply a stimulus until all response is eliminated. You are desensitizing your horse every time you repeatedly apply a stimulus. This stimulus can be your hand patting his/her neck, a brush on his/her belly, a halter on his/her face, a tall wrap on his/her tail, a saddle on his/her back, even your voice and body language . You have taught him/her that when you touch him/her with any of these things, he/she should give you NO response. You have desensitized him/her to those things.

How do you properly Desensitize a horse?
1. Create a stimulus.
2. Wait for NO response.
3. Release the stimulus and praise horse.
4. Wait 2 - 3 seconds and start at No:1 again.

Important points when Desensitizing:
When creating a stimulus such as stroking or rubbing using your hand you must continue with the stimulus consistently until the horse gives you NO response. If you remove the stimulus before the horse stops responding you will be sensitizing him/her (this is how bad habits form).
He/she will believe that whatever action he/she was taking (whether it was a swish of his/her tail or a stomp of his foot ... or anything) is was the correct action But what you wanted was NO action, NO responses.

Here's an Example:
You want to teach a foal to accept various types of brushes and to allow you to groom him/her. You start with a soft, easily accepted brush such as a Horse - Hair brush. You begin stroking him/her with the soft brush even if he walks around or twitches his/her skin. Once he/she stands still and gives NO response you remove the stimulus (The Brushing).

What is Sensitizing?
This is when you continually apply a stimulus until you get a response. If you sensitize a horse correctly he will respond immediately and %100 of the time he will never not listen to the cue.
Many people sensitize their horse "on accident" ... this is how horses learn bad habits. Read below to learn how to desensitize and sensitize your horse properly so that you won't ever "accidentally" teach him/her bad habits.

How do you properly SENSITIZE a horse to a specific cue?
1. Create a Stimulus.
2. Wait for the correct response.
3. Immediately release the stimulus.
4. Wait 2-3 seconds and start at No:1 again.

Important points when Sensitizing:
When creating a stimulus such as pressure from your hand you must continue with that stimulus consistently until the horse gives you the correct response. If you remove the stimulus before the horse responds correctly you will be desensitizing him/her (this is how bad habits form).
He/She will believe that he/she doesn't have to respond to that stimulus since he/she got rewarded (release of pressure is the best reward) when he/she did nothing.

Here's an example:
You put pressure on his/her ribs with your fingers. He/She feels this and notices that after a few seconds or few minutes it becomes annoying or irritating . He/She then tries everything that horse can to get you to take your finger away from his/her ribs. He/She may shake his/her head or swish his/her tail or move towards you (as if to push you out of the way) and finally the horse moves away. Once horse moves away you release the stimulus immediately. Horse will soon realizes that you will stop pushing on his/her ribs when he/she steps away from you or from your finger pushing on the ribs.

Why and How these Methods work well on every Horse?
This works extremely well because horses use these methods on each other.
A mare will teach her foal to stay close by calling the foal vocally.
Once the foal moves closer to her Mother she will immediately stop calling her foal.

How are most "Bad Habits" formed?
Bad habits are formed by the Rider/Owner confusing Desensitizing with Sensitizing.
These two lines above are so important and crucial for the Horse,Trainer,Rider, Owner and anyone who has got anything to do with these creatures (HORSES) please keep this like a board in front of your eyes, PLEASE.

Example of a rider confusing SENSITIZING with DESENSITIZING:

"It happens all the time and most of the problems starts here"

The rider puts pressure on the horse's mouth asking the horse to slow down. When the horse slows down slightly the rider does not release the pressure on the horse's mouth and decides to turn instead. What's the problem? Well the horse never gets his release, therefore the horse becomes confused as to whether or not slowing down is the correct action to take when pressure is put on his/her mouth.
Not to mention the horse went from one signal to the next without a release ... when the rider doesn't REWARD the horse in the form of a release the horse becomes confused and /or begins to ignore the signal (resulting in a HARD MOUTH) .
Now honestly how many times have you done this? I used to do this all the time (and wondered why the horses would stop listening to me) before I learned the simple methods I am going to outline here,
By using proper DESENSITIZING and SENSITIZING methods consistently while working around or riding your horse . Horses will become unbelievably responsive to every cue you give them. When you apply a stimulus all the horse wants out of life at that very moment is for you to release the stimulus. This is why treats are not necessary when training a horse.

How many of us have seen wrong body positioning one the seat of the saddle?

Instead of Desensitizing the Ear we Sensitize it and in the end we say the Training did not work properly but we don't say we did not do it right.

With all respect to Robert Miller D.V.M

Persian Horse

Tuesday, January 8, 2008

The Six Sence In Horses

How much do we know about the Six Sense of the Horse?
How strong is the Six Sense of the Horse?

The powers which we don't have.
For example:
How a Horse could tel an Earth Quake or Tsunami?
They have powers which we can not even dream of.
I wish those whom just put their legs into Stirrup and seat on the saddle and slashing the whip so aggressively on the greatest creature of all times could realize where they have the opportunity to seat and act at least as a human being so we could COPE with this highly sensitive problem of not understanding or misunderstanding.

How many of us understands the creature before putting the leg over this creature?
Before driving a car we read a lot to know what is a car , do we do the same at least to know what creature we are going to ride?

Did they (Horses) came to existence for us to ride them?
I don't know I may be wrong writing these , if so please tell me.

The Sixth Sense of the greatest creatures living fortunately on this planet, why I am saying fortunately because the man kind did not make them vanish and that is because men needed them our needs made us to somehow let them survive.

One of the main reasons that we use to keep horses in our homes next to where we sleep (bedrooms) is because of this powerful tool horses have and we don’t, they can tell an Earth Quake before we even could think about it.

We as humans can tell the earth quake the time of actually happening which means the earth is shaking.

Horses could tell Earth Quake up to minutes and this is very important for us to get ready, Horses even react , they start to Kick, If tied they will break the rope, running in their places if they are locked up they start to do something for freeing themselves as the Prison Break.

The science has given the “Sixth” sense rather somehow meaningless name of “Proprioception”.


Pro·pri·o·cep·tor [pr?pree ? sépt?r] (plural pro·pri·o·cep·tors) noun

nerve ending: a sensory nerve ending in muscles, tendons, and joints that provides a sense of the body’s position by responding to stimuli from within the body

[Early 20th century. Coined from Latin proprius “your own” + receptor .]

—pro·pri·o·cep·tion, noun

—pro·pri·o·cep·tive, adjective

Encarta® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1999 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Developed for Microsoft by Bloomsbury Publishing Plc.

This subject is not finished yet, I hope to finish it if life gives me more days.


Thursday, December 27, 2007

Odd Horse Behaviour - Vice?

Q -
The field where I keep my horse and pony is split into 2, a new horse has come for a short term visit so he went into the field with loads of grass so I put my TB in with him. The horse is an ex race horse, about 3 years old and has just come off the racing yard as he didn't suit racing.

All was fine for the first few days, I did notice that the new horse is the boss which mine doesn't like but now I have noticed all the grass along one side of the gate about 8 square feet is bare earth, the new TB stands licking the ground for a lot of the time when he isn't pacing the fence. My TB who had no odd habits is now copying, is this a vice, is something deficient in the diet, mine is just on grass no feed, the new one has a feed but not sure what is in it.

Anyone encountered this before?

A -
You said you have two different places so:

The first thing you should do and do it right now is to SEPARATE your horse from the new horse because your horse will pick up all the bad habits that all race horses carry Unfortunately.

Yes Ex - Racehorses have stress problems and the owners must rebuild their bad habits and remove their stress from their brains these are all the Human fault which all race horses get during that time.

A lot of wonderful people "rescue" ex-racehorses and want to rehabilitate them but some don't understand the challenges facing them. Sometimes they get lucky and reach their goal with a little difficulty, the challenges are hard and takes a lot of time and patient. Sometimes you take one step forward and two steps backwards.
I always suggest to take the ex-racehorse back to the first basics of Horse Training.

I can say all ex-racehorse have no "Trust" and for rehabilitating a ex-racehorse all is about how much "Trust" we can develop between us and the Horse for doing that all happens on the ground in the basics of Gentle and appropriate Communication.

What are the needs of a ex-racehorse:
Changing old patterns , Developing a Huge amount of "TRUST" and "RESPECT" and Deep Profound "BOND".

Wish you the best and don't forget to remove your Horse before is too late.


What would make you suspect an eye problem?

Q -

Hi. I suspect the four year old I am looking after may have problems with his eyesight on one side. Could anyone tell me what symptoms or behaviors they would expect in horses with eyesight problems and what i should be looking for if this is the case.

Particularly when carrying out groundwork would there be anything glaring that might be noticed? All experience and advice appreciated.

A -
The EAR - Watch the EAR ABOVE the PROBLEM EYE.

If you concentrate on the Ears you will see there is no harmony between the two ears and you will see the eye which you think has a problem the ear above it will always in motion and turning so the Horse could collect information from the side which has sight problem.

For Example:
If a Horse eye (Left) has problem the Left Ear will always be in motion and it dose not rest like the Right Ear and also the left ear will lose it's harmony with the right ear.

I hope there is nothing wrong with your horse and I wish you and your horse the best and good health too.


Learning To Pick Up 4 Feet

"Four Feet Means The Horse Only Defense TOOL"

The reason we say young foals must be Imprint Trained is this and the 4 legs must be Desensitized right after birth unfortunately many don't do and come to a point that might hurt themselves or the poor Horse and many think this is the work of Farrier which is not.

would we give up our only defense tool to someone which we have no relation no Bond , Trust and Confidence?

Stay out of the kick area and be aware of it.

The only Defense Horses have in time of danger is their legs therefor you are asking a Horse to give up their only defense tool, so you have to be patient.

Grooming is very much important because the Horse logical Communication starts with Grooming but start in a sensitive way make each session short take some steps back pause then go to the horse praise then restart your grooming this is very important to make your sessions short and take some steps away from the horse.
Start with grooming Establish Trust make good Bond and Gain their Confidence.

Desensitize each leg without picking them up just rub them until they are fully Desensitized to the touch of your hand.

After Desensitizing just very lightly clap each leg by your hand normally after some clapping they pick that hand up when they do Hold the hand for few seconds and let go don't hold the hand or leg too much.
Is best to leave the Horse after each session and take some steps back so they know you are no harm to them.
If the Horse is holding his/her head up that means you wont be able to pick any hand the horses head must come down (normal position) this means the horse is calm while you are with him/her ? if not start with grooming again and be more patient and give more quality time spend more time with the horse , lead properly too.

If you are not so sure that you can desensitize the 4 legs by your hands then you can make an artificial hand to especially doing this and Desensitizing the 4 legs.


Tuesday, December 25, 2007



1- let your horse to smell the lines as long as needed (the time to be used to long line is different on horses).
2-the horse should not be afraid of the long lines for a good start.
3-when the long line goes around the legs for the first time the horse starts to kick with both legs this is normal and you should let the horse to kick as much as he likes so after some time he will not kick at all and the line around the legs is normal for him.
always finish on a good ground do not rush at all.
Make turns with the long line .
make circle with the long line and change the direction(before any change in direction dont forget the step backwards this is Important.
wish you all the best.

Single line longeing puts the horse OFF BALANCE with his SPINE in a COUNTER ARC.
A LOSE HORSE moving naturally is BALANCED and moves in a natural arc.
Monty Roberts Points:
1- Do not single line lounge your horse.
2- Single line longeing:
Throws the horse off balance.
Causes the horse to cross canter.
Damages ligaments,tendons and muscle.

The best and most schooling or training from the GROUND is LONG LINING AND YOU SHOULD ALWAYS TRAIN (%80) OF YOUR WORK ON A HORSE BY WALK ONLY.
Long lining is very simple if you do it on walk only (the benefit of WALK is you can control the horse easily specially for some one without the experience of long lining.
The benefit of long lining it makes the horse to move and walk in a COLLECTION this is very crucial that horse moves in collection.
When you long line a horse for the first time he or her resists and starts to buck because of the BUT ROPE (THE ROPE WHICH IS THE OUTER ONE AND COMES AROUND THE HIND ABOVE THE HOCK) BUT SOON THE BUCKING WILL STOP THE AMOUNT OF BUCKING IS DIFFERENT IN HORSES.
BUCKING has a good reason for the horse (The horse has to change the way which he or she has moved from birth until now, with long lining for the first time you are changing the movement of the total body of the horse you are asking for a change even in the behavior of the horse and this needs a great deal of change).
Long lining a horse for the first time must be stop when the bucking has stopped in other words you have done a great deal of work and you have finished on a positive ground (finishing on a positive ground is important ).
For example if you long line your horse for the first time and he starts to buck and lets say he buck for 5 minutes and he stops bucking and starts to walk this is the best starting session for the day and start the 2nd session the next day.
The length of time is not important the quality of good work and finishing on positive ground is important.
For example with long lining you can train the horse on WALK ONLY but with one line lunging you can not control the horse and mostly start with TROTTING ,CANTERING OR GALLOP which is negative.
With long lining you can do the step to the back but with one line lunging you can not make the horse to step back (the step back is very crucial in training horses).
I hope I have not missed anything but if there is anything which is up to my knowledge I will be glad to answer.
Horses which are not using the HINDS as the main source of the power when they go down hill you feel with each step the fork of your saddle will punch you right between your legs but horses which use the hinds as the main power you feel nothing and all the movement is very smooth.

One of the important benefits of long lining is :
Long Lining brings the Horse on the Hinds and Horse will learn the main power or the source of the power are the Hinds the Hands are for changing the direction.Most of the Horses that have Hand problem it is because of this that they are not walking on Hinds and they put more pressure on the Hands especially on jumping.
The but rope and the pressure on the nose (Horse Head) makes the Horse to bring the Hinds under .The other benefit of the Long Lining is it makes the Horse to walk in COLLECTION.
Horse walking in COLLECTION this is crucial too.

All horses when they are single line lunged the keep their head slightly out from the circle this is general with all horses in single lunging.

All horses when they are long lining (2 line) the keep their head slightly inward the circle this is general with all horses in long lining (2 line each going inside the stirrup).
When a horse is free of any rope circling in a round pen you will see his head is slightly inside of the circle so his neck and his poll , it is the same when a rider is circling a horse his head , neck and his poll are towards the inside of the circle now we come to the main point that when a horse is circling the inside hand will go first for Example if we are circling to the left the left hand of the horse will go first then his outer hand (the right hand) and when we are circling to the right the right hand will pick up first and go first therefore in any direction the hand which is inside the circle will be picked and go first. this is good for the balance of the horse and in riding the rider has the corporative of the horses body horse can react fully to the riders action and ability to control.
Imagine if all I said will be in opposite the neck the poll the head and the hand and the horses axis what will happen nothing is in the control of the horse and if the rider is on then it will be a disaster just Imagine for one second.

What I mean by lunging is single line attached to the horse head either on the top of his/her nose or under his/her chin no matter the main point is the single line lunging which the lunger has no control what so ever over the horse especially if the horse is green or the horse has not come out for some time and has more energy than the horse which comes out every day this kind of horse will use most of his/her energy in the first moment when he/she strikes out I think anyone can imagine what I am saying.

Let me ask you some simple questions if you do not mind:
1- How do you stop a horse on single line?
2- How do you take a step back (rein back a horse) on a single line?
3- How do you do the figure 8 on a single line?
4- How do you correct the inside Hand of the horse on a single line?
5- How do you change direction on a single line?
6- How do you make the horse to stand still for a moment to relax on a single line?
7- How do you make a horse to walk on a collection with a single line?
8- How do you make a horse to bring his/her hinds under?
9- How do you make a horse to go on walk only or trot only or canter only on a single line?
10- How do you train a young Horse without any physical damage to the hands and hinds on a single line?

These are the very crucial thing that a trainer must do especially with a young horse.

Please can you answer these question for me I will be honored.

For example :

x = Human

( = Horse , this is a positive and correct body positioning and no damage to the horses spine.

) = Horse Which has wrong body position because of single line lunging the reason for that is single line lunging puts the horse off balance and this will damage the spine for the rest of the creatures life.

When we single line lunge (especially the single rope is attached on the top of the nose the position of the horse to the x which is the lunger is :

X -------------------------------------------------------------- (

This diagram I hope explain what I am talking about I hope.
The horse on a single line lunge will look like this < ( > towards the lunger.
The horse body his inside ear closer to the lunger his Muzzle out his Spine is in a arc position like the < ( > his hands unbalanced his Hinds unbalanced .

Because of all in the above the single line lunging puts the horse off balance.

The Horse with 2 long line reining is:

The two long line reining The Horse

In 2 long line reining the horse moves naturally and balanced and his/her spine in a arc like this ).
Even the loose horse in a round pen when going in a circle is like the above and moves naturally and balanced and his/her spine in a arc like this ).

The single line lunger has no control on a single line lunge what so ever.
There for if we have no control over something and horse has all the controls why we do it then what is the purpose of doing something like that.

Long line (2 lines) reining it is more likely like a remote riding with no rider on the horse and the main thing is the hind rope (the but rope) this is more effective this is where you put the horse on walking on collection until you don't teach a horse to go on collection the horse will not learn and many of the hand injuries are from the horse not on collection.
You experience this when your horse is going Down Hill , how do you feel up there when your horse is going down hill?
You can stop a horse with 2 line when ever you want.
You can make the horse to step back when ever you want.
You can go from walk to trot and more when ever you want and many other things.

One of the most important reasons of all is the single line lunging puts the horse off balance as I said in the previous post this is the most important reasons of all that I am against single line lunging.
The other reasons come after the main one .
If it is so and you do everything with your voice and the horse is in your command and does everything by your voice why you put the single rope on the horse head in the first place in other words just put your horse on lunge with no rope on.

One line lunging:
We can not ignore the weight of the line which the horse is carrying on one side of his/her body therefor the weight of the line unbalances the horse it pulls the horse head inside and at the same time horse wants to travel equal on both sides thats why the horse inside ear is closer to you than his/her nose.
If the lunger pull the line more weight will be on the single line and it will put the horse more in to a unbalanced position , because of this the horse neck and poll is not relaxed in this way.
All what I said in this post and previous ones it will put the horse muscles and skeleton in a bad position and it will damage them all in this way horse will put more pressure on the outside hind and the inside hand this will damage some important ligaments,tendons and muscles especially in young horses it will end in physiological damages.
When you loss such a horse which has traveled in this manner (single line lunging) he/she will travel in the same manner by its own and it will end in back problems.
I am not against Lunging I am against single line lunging.
Some people when they are in a round pen they still use a single line attached to the horse head it is better to loss the horse and try to lunge without the single line.
You always talk about I do this and that with my horse I am saying when you put a horse for the first time on a single lunge the horse will not obey you at all.
Horses that obey you by your words they are the ones that you have used words with stimuli after some time the word has the reaction of the stimuli but from the beginning if you just say WHOA the horse will not understand that he has to stop but if you use it for some time the word and the stimuli then the word will have the meaning of that particular stimuli (Pavlov the Russian professor).

I have seen people when they are frightened or the horse is showing too much energy because they are not either capable or they are afraid they single line lunge the horse so the poor horse will get tired and losses his energy then they ride him this happens especially on stallions and because the horse is starting with a lot of energy at the beginning the horse will harm himself.

The first few minutes are very crucial because the horse has lots of energy and he will put it all in action in the starting point of single line lunging this is the moment when all the harm is done.

This post is not finished it needs more work to do so please if you see any mistakes or things written so many times please forgive me.



Dear all :

I need your help for adding to these.

1- Horse is a flight animal not a fight animal.
2- Hoses need to see everything from the both sides (from each eye).
3- Horses have emotions.
4- Praise is the real reward for horses.
5- For learning something there must be peace in horses mind.
6- Horses do not see food the way that predators do.
7- Horses communicate with their body language.
8- For teaching something to a horse just show them a few times they will learn quick.
9- The horse eye works like a binocular.
10- Horses are very delicate to touch.
11- Horse is a mimic animal but mostly from their own.
12- Horses see colour White , Red (mostly like brown) , Green , Yellow
13- Horses have excellent night vision and can learn at night time just like day time.
14- Horses have good sense of coming home (finding home at night and day).
15- Horses can feel (from the hoof to the brain) the holes in the ground when they are running they do this by the middle ear the same way that they could tell the earth quake.
16- Horses have great memories.
17- Horses have habits.
18- Horses are excellent in reading minds.
19- Horses are into pressure creatures.
20- Horses are very good for responding to Imprint Training at birth.

With regards.



Hi to all:

We are responsible for our Horses and their Actions.

What do we call Violence?
What do we call Intelligence? (I don't mean the definition of the word)

4-Boxing and Stabling.
6-Horse Harnesses.
7-Our Body actions and our Body Language.
8-Even Riding.
9-The actions we take as Punishment.
10- .... You add to my list Please or take off from my list I didn't try to put all the things which I think are violence so please complete the list in either way thank you. .

And more if you please add , tell me where do we draw the line and say this is Violence towards this creature?

How and when do we use our intelligence to prevent something cruel , aggressiveness , punishment and violence?

What are the Positive and Negative results of these on the Horse.
Is the result of a violence action appears right away or dose it appear in the future or in a longer period of time?

Dose the effect of violence has many outcomes or just a simple one?

An act of violence destroys trust. Without trust, you cannot work as one with your horse.
I know One thing any kind and amount of violence destroys Trust.
Trust , establishing trust as we all say.
Trust wont match the punishment and violence and any other action which is the feeling of the Horse.
Trust with our partner (Horse).
There are other things but to my knowledge this is the most important one.

To be honest and frank I have to become a Horse to answer my post .
The definition must be given by a Horse not by our dictionary , don't you think so?

But I try my best to become a Horse as much as I can to answer to your posts next time I get on line , as I said in other thread you have to be in the mood for doing something especially things that has something to do with your mind and brain working , Don't you think so?
We have to know the feelings of the Horse to each single thing.